tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post2852968996151174103..comments2024-03-26T14:06:27.135-07:00Comments on Havards Blackmoor Blog: Was Kotaku Wrong to Rehash Arneson vs. Gygax Debate?Havard:http://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-91236731425382809072019-09-02T02:20:47.136-07:002019-09-02T02:20:47.136-07:00Very good points. Thanks for commenting Norbert! :...Very good points. Thanks for commenting Norbert! :)Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-60138345256759635652019-09-01T12:30:44.671-07:002019-09-01T12:30:44.671-07:00Mark, Tim Kask is not totally impartial, just so y...Mark, Tim Kask is not totally impartial, just so you know.AndreasDavourhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17170806742393291962noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-76232341504152457892019-09-01T02:02:32.443-07:002019-09-01T02:02:32.443-07:00I don't care about other people's opinion ...I don't care about other people's opinion about Kotaku. As a journalist myself, I think at least that article was pretty decently researched. Dave simply has never gotten the reputation and respect he deserves as the founder of roleplaying games. That's a fact. And now that more and more media are waking up to that fact, it's only natural some people react the way they react. <br />bhaktibayahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16498683706348681884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-4054718171531557202019-08-31T06:03:55.979-07:002019-08-31T06:03:55.979-07:00"Arneson left TSR (or was forced to leave)&qu..."Arneson left TSR (or was forced to leave)"<br /><br />"kaskoid (Tim Kask) - "Dave was not forced to leave. He quit and stormed out in a huff. I was there."<br /><br />"I have been researching the story of Dave Arneson and his friends, not because I love to dig up dirt or because I want to hurt the legacy of Gary Gygax. I don't like hurting anyone's feelings. I have been doing this because I am interested in truth."<br /><br />You have a literal eye witness telling you what happened. You should probably edit the blog post to reflect this firsthand account.Mark CMG Cloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00160691331267309851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-90588283136519001482019-08-30T10:41:18.037-07:002019-08-30T10:41:18.037-07:00I agree! Thanks for commenting Phil! :)I agree! Thanks for commenting Phil! :)Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-92163093637117151262019-08-30T10:40:45.072-07:002019-08-30T10:40:45.072-07:00Sadly this is just the nature of the sensationalis...Sadly this is just the nature of the sensationalist new sites of the Internet. But the article still makes some good points if you filter out things like the provocative headline and some of the quotes. Personally I would love to see more defenders of Dave Arneson who aren't at the same time hostile towards Gary. We real D&D fans should give credit to them both, but at the same time understand what each co-creator contributed. Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-85318685761452878022019-08-30T10:36:50.754-07:002019-08-30T10:36:50.754-07:00Hi Tim :)
There is bias for sure, but take a look...Hi Tim :) <br />There is bias for sure, but take a look at the blue quote in my article above. I think that part really sums up the story well. I have no interest in attacks on Gary, but a number of books published in later years repeat the mistaken assumption that D&D was more or less a continuation of Chainmail. This is the part that needs to be refuted to understand Dave's legacy. :) Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-79824556600065172142019-08-30T10:31:33.386-07:002019-08-30T10:31:33.386-07:00A lot of people don't like Kotaku, but if you ...A lot of people don't like Kotaku, but if you read this particular article I think you will find that it is fairly well researched. Much better than some other articles by the same author.Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-69172793855934326842019-08-30T10:28:40.688-07:002019-08-30T10:28:40.688-07:00Thanks for taking the time to comment Tim! Its alw...Thanks for taking the time to comment Tim! Its always good to hear all sides of the story. Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-54030050314903344822019-08-30T08:58:43.871-07:002019-08-30T08:58:43.871-07:00I wasn't there. I don't know what happene...I wasn't there. I don't know what happened. I do know that people who quit career jobs "in a huff" with no other job to go to usually feel pushed to the point they have no other choice. DHBoggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170439175265397893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-91547130468943716182019-08-29T11:12:16.702-07:002019-08-29T11:12:16.702-07:00This doesn't change that Arneson invented RPG&...This doesn't change that Arneson invented RPG's as a play method. If you think about it, your entire career was predicated on an invention by the guy you hate. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747530054977219578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-77400466570108901772019-08-29T07:52:51.223-07:002019-08-29T07:52:51.223-07:00There is quite a lot of bias in that article. I am...There is quite a lot of bias in that article. I am sure there is some truth in it, somewhere, after-all we know Gary had his issues too. <br />I just hope this doesn't degrade into the infighting you see in old Styx fandom of Dennis DeYoung vs Tommy Shaw.Timothy S. Brannanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02923526503305233715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-17453628187250722192019-08-28T21:17:23.850-07:002019-08-28T21:17:23.850-07:00If you ignore the tone and merely look at her prem...If you ignore the tone and merely look at her premise, which is that a mythhology has arisen that cannot be supported by fact, it's hard to deny the core them of her story which is pretty simple: Gygax did not invent it all.<br /><br />And now it seems pretty clear that gygax even lifted things from Megarry wothout asking.<br /><br />https://boggswood.blogspot.com/2019/08/the-dungeon-boardgame-as-foundation-of-d.html?fbclid=IwAR0wYZ-ii9ZyYvHCE_jmXzyz9_HjdiUREX66n2kAP9HilH7SdAM8iDKkY5cAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16747530054977219578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-54850686568034905482019-08-28T10:04:45.081-07:002019-08-28T10:04:45.081-07:00It was intended to stir up sh*t. I read Kotaku a ...It was intended to stir up sh*t. I read Kotaku a lot and most of this authors articles are at best opinion pieces, not journalism. I honestly think they keep her on because she writes pieces that get page views, not the hope she’ll get a Pulitzer. <br /><br />She also wrote a piece about the graphic novel on Gygax a few years ago (prior to the article on Gail Gygax). The slant of the article can be summed up in a reply she made in the comments section: “I am a diehard D&D fan who seriously dislikes Gygax and his legacy.”Troyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08803261528324178102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-41083352056369553252019-08-28T09:58:24.652-07:002019-08-28T09:58:24.652-07:00If it was published on Kotaku, it was probably wro...If it was published on Kotaku, it was probably wrong in every way. Scott Andersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067161332003628237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-18593053434969198032019-08-28T09:07:50.818-07:002019-08-28T09:07:50.818-07:00Newcomen invented the steam engine, Watt made it u...Newcomen invented the steam engine, Watt made it usable.<br /><br />The story of new discoveries is full with this type of stories. Which doesn't mean one shouldn't get it right and give credit where credit is due. The dust usuall settles after all involved have passed away for some time, and people who were never involved nor have any stake write the 'true' history.Phil Dutréhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607941040736764291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-306015663830354773.post-69851285237356908572019-08-28T07:45:30.274-07:002019-08-28T07:45:30.274-07:00Dave was not forced to leave. He quit and stormed ...Dave was not forced to leave. He quit and stormed out in a huff. I was there.<br />kaskoidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02409538940478005867noreply@blogger.com